Prederow Kaderyer Goky

Maw Lyver-dydhyow, Metheven 2009.

Baban owth Oela yw Everson.

Yma ow pesya protestya.

Kernowek Standard is finished it's maker throws a hissy fit.

Thin skinned  Michael Everson  throws his usual hissy fit, he needs to be in control of everything and everyone (note his insistence of wanting to know who his critics are !) and has to win every argument or he throws a tantrum. From Keskowsva

In contrast to Golvan's decision to leave the forum - which I personally regret and am finding difficult to understand, as it seems to me that his withdrawal is a reaction to branvras' postings which I did not find uncivil at all - I would like to stress that this forum will stay open to anybody as long as ad hominem attacks and bickering about orthography stay out of the question. Also, participants will not be required to give their real names. The basic rules of netiquette should suffice.

Apart from these caveats, debate is both welcome and necessary, as is trying to find flaws in each other's arguments in a constructive and benevolent way. How else are we supposed to progress?

Should Golvan at any time wish to return to the forum, he is of course as welcome as ever. In the meantime, let's return to the actual topic of this thread: Idiom and current usage. A number of interesting points have been made here after all.

Albert, Ben, nice try. There's no room for civil discussion with snide, nasty, anonymous people who just want to "prove" that we are "missing the point entirely".

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by Evertype » 31 May 2009, 01:19

Pokorny wrote:The basic rules of netiquette should suffice.

They do not suffice. We have snideness and nastiness flung at us by anonymous people. When I protested by calling it "nasty" (as it was), I was chided by Ben for protesting. If you do not "understand" how we find branvras' postings to be hostile, then you should look again at them, and try to understand our position.

Your anonymous forum, therefore, no longer attracts the interest of two of the Revival's prolific experts. (laughing out loud,Goky) We have noticed your reluctance to engage with experts on the Spellyans forum, where open debate is encouraged, but anonymity is not. We remember, though you may not, your promise and Ben's to resume what we believed were key discussions, broken off by Ben taking a taxi to the airport to fly to Austria. That was the last time we had meaningful discussions with either of you. That you did not resume the discussions is something we took notice of. If you did not take notice of it, that likely says something about your attitude to our contributions to the Revival. Bíodh agaibh.

As Golvan has said, so far as this forum is concerned, I too shall say. Genough farwel.

Poor Everson, what a loser !

(Branvas)I agree, and although I wanted to withdraw from this conversation, I feel obliged to point out that you've missed the point entirely. I wasn't arguing for or against 'yn hwir'. I was pointing out that "facts" as presented by experts should always be checked. We had two examples, in as many days, of an expert presenting us with a "fact" that turned out not to be a "fact" at all. I rest my case - caveat kernewegor.

This is what Everson, was objecting to, poor little baby, he can dish it but cannot take it, just see how he treats commentators not just on his own Spellyans list but on other forums as well. The poor little baby is not used to being moderated!.

The original post, where Everson is calling a poster 'nasty' not the post, but the poster, he just does not get it.!

Albert, Ben, nice try. There's no room for civil discussion with snide, nasty, anonymous people who just want to "prove" that we are "missing the point entirely".

Kernowek Standard needs better spokespeople.

Many of whom no nothing about the language, , attack incessantly with insults and worse the one guy  who can read and write the language and can talk about it in an intelligent manner. Take this piece of idiocy , 50% of Cornish users, speak, read and write LC !!!

Don't be a moron Keith, you know why there are multiple forms of the SWF, because half of Cornish speakers prefer Middle Cornish and the other half prefer Late Cornish, the SWF takes all Cornish speakers' preferences into account, a single form would not have been acceptable to many, especially you if it wasn't KK, of course if it was I'm sure you'd be the one here most promoting the SWF, you're as transparent as air.

Of course this person seemingly is unaware that those attacking  the Kesva and others  for not supporting the SWF,do  not support it either !, they use their own standard , called as you may guess Kernowek Standard.

So what has changed  since 1985,we have had on the once side Kernewek Kemmyn, which has held examinations, published a monthly magazine, published much material , including 3 dictionaries, the New Testament, parts of the Old Testament,poetry, prose the list goes on.What has the 'other side ' produced? Well for a start it cannot make up it's mind what orthography to use,Unified Cornish, Unified Cornish Revised, or Kernowe(a)k Standard. A dictionary in UCR an orthography now useless, a reprint of Nance's dictionary in Unified, (now they are saying Nance got it wrong as well ), some  materiel in Kernowek Standard,an orthography which is still changing,making that materiel obsolete pretty soon.

Late Cornish has changed it's orthography about 4 times in the last 10 years, again unstable.

The only stable orthography has been and is Kernewek Kemmyn.!

Poor Eddie

Poor Eddie, well know translator of Kiddie's books into Cornish (after heavy editing ), ever the moron, at least Birdbrain slaps Cador's hands for being a naughty boy, but the village fool just keeps encouraging him, poor Eddie.

Snipe

Cador

Sounds like our Mr. Bailey but it has a very Gollum-like characteristic to it...listening for the Dark Lord I suppose.

This sort of comment doesn't add much to the discussion.

There are many worse examples than mine to go by. I don't think there is much of a discussion being that Morvran is whining and finding reasons to complain as usual, so not really much of a discussion at all.

Cador

Me ny vennaf cowsel Kernowek Kemyn mes Kernowek Gwyr!

An Grampothen a rolyas yn kerdh.(F.S.)

An flehes a leveras

 “Ni a vynn an grampothen vras ma"

An grampothen a glewas an flehes

Hi a leveras

"An flehes ny wra ow dybri "

ha hy a rolyas yn kerdh.

An flehes a leveras

( “Ni a vynn an Grampothen vras ma"

An grampothen a glewas an flehes

Hi a leveras

"An flehes ny wra ow dybry "

ha hy a rolyas yn kerdh.)

An Grampassen a umhelas.

An flehes a lavaras

  "Nye vedn  an grampassen vrauz ma"

An grampassen a glowas  an flehes

Hye a lavaras

" An flehes na ra a debry."

Ha hye a umhelas.

An Distruyans Cador.

Creeg an Grampessan.( Creeg an Grampothen)

Thera seith flog the venen goath.
Hye reeg crampessan vrauz.
(Yth esa seyth flogh dhe venyn goth,
hi a wrug krampothen vras)



 

Eddie, an mawe a vara ginger, a gevarvas Losteeck.

Ev a lavaras :

" Mawe a vara ginger o ve

o ve, o ve, o ve.

Me a feeas theworth an yar.

Me a feeas theworth an kye.

Me a feeas theworth an hoah.

Me a feeas theworth an zart.

Me a feeas theworth an oanick.

Me a feeas theworth an gathe.

Me a feeas theworth an venen goath

Me a feeas theworth an dean coath

Me ell feeas theworthez

Me ell, me ell, me ell."

Hag ev a feeas, hag ev a fees, hag ev a feeas.

An losteeck a lavaras,

"Che ell feeas theworth an venen goath.

Che ell feeas theworth an dean coath.

Che ell feeas theworth an gathe

Che ell feeas theworth an oanick

Che ell feeas theworth an yar

Buz na ellesta feeas theworth an losteeck"

Hag ev reeg an debry .